TIMELINE PRIME a.k.a. Earth-10005
50XX B.C. - An ancient and powerful mutant known as "En Sabah Nur" is born.
3600 B.C. - En Sabah Nur is betrayed by his followers.
1832 - James Howlett is born.
1845 - After coming into his powers following the murder of the man whom raised him (John Howlett, maybe his true biological father), young James Howlett runs away with his presumed older half-brother, Victor Logan.
1861 - James Howlett and Victor Logan fight for the Union in the Civil War.
1861 - James Howlett and Victor Logan fight for the Union in the Civil War.
1917 - James and Victor, by now having discovered they don't age like others, strive on as they fight in the first World War.
1930 - Erik Magnus Lehnsherr is born.
1931 - Moira MacTaggert is born.
1932 - Charlex Francis Xavier is born.
1930 - Erik Magnus Lehnsherr is born.
1931 - Moira MacTaggert is born.
1932 - Charlex Francis Xavier is born.
1935 - Raven Darkholme is born. Apparently, a normal human baby with black hair. Her physiology will radically change within a decade.
1944 - Poland. Erik Lehnsherr is coming into his powers within his demonic trials of the Holocaust. Sebastian Shaw - under the fake identity of "Dr. Klaus Schmidt" - sees first hand, with Erik's discovery of his mutant abilities, what is happening to humanity.
1945 - Nagasaki. Transferred to the Eastern front apart from his brother, James Howlett is captured as a POW, apparently without his dog tags for this war. He meets and befriends a young Ichiro Yashida. On August 9th, James is involved in the nuclear blast which will wipe out Nagasaki.
1949 - Erik arrives in the States.
1955 - Peter Maximoff is born. He is Lehnsherr' secret son.
1962 - The major events of X-Men: First Class take place. The X-Men are formed: Xavier; Lehnsherr; Mystique; Beast; Havok; Banshee. The name of the team is conied by Mystique and later reprised by Moira MacTaggert. After the final battle, the Brotherhood of the Mutants is also formed.
Xavier erases any trace of the mission and the X-Men. In the future to come, he will also lie about his first meeting with Erik and their common origins.
1944 - Poland. Erik Lehnsherr is coming into his powers within his demonic trials of the Holocaust. Sebastian Shaw - under the fake identity of "Dr. Klaus Schmidt" - sees first hand, with Erik's discovery of his mutant abilities, what is happening to humanity.
1945 - Nagasaki. Transferred to the Eastern front apart from his brother, James Howlett is captured as a POW, apparently without his dog tags for this war. He meets and befriends a young Ichiro Yashida. On August 9th, James is involved in the nuclear blast which will wipe out Nagasaki.
1949 - Erik arrives in the States.
1955 - Peter Maximoff is born. He is Lehnsherr' secret son.
1962 - The major events of X-Men: First Class take place. The X-Men are formed: Xavier; Lehnsherr; Mystique; Beast; Havok; Banshee. The name of the team is conied by Mystique and later reprised by Moira MacTaggert. After the final battle, the Brotherhood of the Mutants is also formed.
Xavier erases any trace of the mission and the X-Men. In the future to come, he will also lie about his first meeting with Erik and their common origins.
1963 - Agent William Stryker Jr. starts working with mutants classified and trained by American Army.
The mysterious man known as Archangel is born in England. He belongs to the sub-species of mutants commonly called ''Cherayafim''.
Dallas: Magneto is captured after having assassinated John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
1964 - Emma Frost is killed.
Moira MacTaggert II, daughter of Moira's brother, is born. She will become a famous scientist.
1965 - Xavier opens the Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters. After few years, most of his students are drafted into war.
Scott Summers, Alex's younger brother, is born.
The clone of Emma Frost is created. She will be later taken under the legal tutelage of Mr. Silverfox, Kyla's father.
1967 - Jean Elaine Grey is born.
1968 - James Howlett and Victor Logan, having by now changed their names to "Jimmy Logan" and "Victor Creed", fight in Vietnam.
1970 - Stryker examines a 15 years old Peter Maximoff and extrapolates from him DNA samples in order to create a less powerful but more controllable clone.
The mysterious man known as Archangel is born in England. He belongs to the sub-species of mutants commonly called ''Cherayafim''.
Dallas: Magneto is captured after having assassinated John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
1964 - Emma Frost is killed.
Moira MacTaggert II, daughter of Moira's brother, is born. She will become a famous scientist.
1965 - Xavier opens the Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters. After few years, most of his students are drafted into war.
Scott Summers, Alex's younger brother, is born.
The clone of Emma Frost is created. She will be later taken under the legal tutelage of Mr. Silverfox, Kyla's father.
1967 - Jean Elaine Grey is born.
1968 - James Howlett and Victor Logan, having by now changed their names to "Jimmy Logan" and "Victor Creed", fight in Vietnam.
1970 - Stryker examines a 15 years old Peter Maximoff and extrapolates from him DNA samples in order to create a less powerful but more controllable clone.
Late 1972 - Eight Mark I Sentinel prototypes are stored in a secret facility at the Trask Industries sites. Mystique disbands the very first "Team X" Major William Stryker Jr. has assembled in Vietnam.
Early 1973 - In January, Jimmy Logan was taking a break from his military duties. Once involved in a personal feud with a dangerous mobster whose daughter has been seduced by the clawed mutant, Jimmy is forced to embark on a new campaign in Vietnam to avoid troubles in the States.
Xavier is heavily depressed and the school has been definitely closed in the years before.
Mystique, once arrived in France, murders Bolivar Trask. Raven is soon captured and experimented upon in order to extrapolate the secrets of her mutant D.N.A; anyway, she manages to survive and eventually escape to aid Magneto.
Late 1973 - Creed kills a superior officer after being stopped from raping a girl, and he and James are sentenced to death by firing squad, though their unique regenerative powers keep them alive. Major William Stryker finds Logan and Creed and recruits them for his black ops codenamed: Team X Mark II.
1974 - Stryker approaches Xavier in order to cure Jason.
1992 - The Cosmic Force is orbiting around Earth. After some time, the Force moves to another galaxy, leaving Earth intact and untouched. The D'Bari survivors keep following the Force across space.
Early 1973 - In January, Jimmy Logan was taking a break from his military duties. Once involved in a personal feud with a dangerous mobster whose daughter has been seduced by the clawed mutant, Jimmy is forced to embark on a new campaign in Vietnam to avoid troubles in the States.
Xavier is heavily depressed and the school has been definitely closed in the years before.
Mystique, once arrived in France, murders Bolivar Trask. Raven is soon captured and experimented upon in order to extrapolate the secrets of her mutant D.N.A; anyway, she manages to survive and eventually escape to aid Magneto.
Late 1973 - Creed kills a superior officer after being stopped from raping a girl, and he and James are sentenced to death by firing squad, though their unique regenerative powers keep them alive. Major William Stryker finds Logan and Creed and recruits them for his black ops codenamed: Team X Mark II.
1974 - Stryker approaches Xavier in order to cure Jason.
1975 - A 14 years old Jason Stryker pushes his mother to kill herself in a gruesome way. William Stryker orders him to be definitely stopped and cryogenized for future studies and weapon developments.
Stryker recruits Wade Wilson, whose mutant powers are: superhuman agility, kinesthesia and accuracy/precision.
1976 - Peter Maximoff dies.
1977 - The specific African operation in Nigeria for Team X, that which turns out to be Jimmy Logan's final mission with them, set long enough after he and Creed join Stryker that William comes to look upon Logan as an "old friend" and the rest of the team upon him like family. The alien mineral - source of the Adamantium - is successfully retrieved.
Thus, Jimmy Logan quits Team X and retires in Canada, working as lumberjack.
Magneto escapes from his prison. Years of captivity and occasional experimentation had turned his hair's color into white.
1978 - McCoy develops a brand-new serum, the second version, which makes Xavier able to use his psychic powers despite keeping the healing physiological rearrangements on his organism. Unfortunately, over time this serum proves to generate terrible long-term collateral effects, and Xavier will be forced to discontinue its use after some years.
In the years to follow, Charles and Erik will part ways over deep divergences.
1985 - Wolverine starts wandering for America and the world.
1989 - Warren Worthington III's powers manifest.
1990 - The second generation of X-Men is formed: Cyclops, Jean Grey/Marvel Girl, Beast, Storm, Emma Silverfox/Silver Fox, Banshee II, Quicksilver II. Most of them are mutant clones rescued by Professor X at Three Mile Island.Stryker recruits Wade Wilson, whose mutant powers are: superhuman agility, kinesthesia and accuracy/precision.
1976 - Peter Maximoff dies.
1977 - The specific African operation in Nigeria for Team X, that which turns out to be Jimmy Logan's final mission with them, set long enough after he and Creed join Stryker that William comes to look upon Logan as an "old friend" and the rest of the team upon him like family. The alien mineral - source of the Adamantium - is successfully retrieved.
Thus, Jimmy Logan quits Team X and retires in Canada, working as lumberjack.
Magneto escapes from his prison. Years of captivity and occasional experimentation had turned his hair's color into white.
1978 - McCoy develops a brand-new serum, the second version, which makes Xavier able to use his psychic powers despite keeping the healing physiological rearrangements on his organism. Unfortunately, over time this serum proves to generate terrible long-term collateral effects, and Xavier will be forced to discontinue its use after some years.
1979 - Xavier, aided by Magneto, recruits a new student in his re-established full-fledged School for the Gifted, a young but already powerful Jean Grey. She is 12 years old.
Warren Kenneth Worthington III is born.
1983 - The major events of X-Men Origins: Wolverine take place at Three Mile Island, where Stryker had relocated few years before. Charles saves Cyclops, Emma Silverfox, Banshee Version II and Quicksilver Version II - the latter ones are clones of the original mutants. At this point, we could assume Charles and Erik have already built the second version of Cerebro.Warren Kenneth Worthington III is born.
In the years to follow, Charles and Erik will part ways over deep divergences.
1985 - Wolverine starts wandering for America and the world.
1989 - Warren Worthington III's powers manifest.
1992 - The Cosmic Force is orbiting around Earth. After some time, the Force moves to another galaxy, leaving Earth intact and untouched. The D'Bari survivors keep following the Force across space.
1995 - The X-Men fight a rudimentary prototype of the Sentinels, as evidenced by the simulation of the Danger Room.
1999 - The events of X-Men take place. Many months after the Liberty Island battle, the events of X2: X-Men United occur.
2000 - The events of X-Men: The Last Stand take place. Roughly six months later as a new president has been elected, homeland Security has been established by now (possibly due to the global mental attack on humanity for this timeline) and much destruction comes upon the West Coast. Among the losses are Scott Summers, Charles Xavier, Jean Grey once more, in addition to the powers of certain established mutants. The movie's closing events heavily allude the Cure's effects may not be permanent, especially on Magneto, while Charles makes a surprising return to an old friend. Indeed, before Phoenix would kill him, he had transferred his consciousness into the atrophied body of a comatose patient.
2000 - The events of X-Men: The Last Stand take place. Roughly six months later as a new president has been elected, homeland Security has been established by now (possibly due to the global mental attack on humanity for this timeline) and much destruction comes upon the West Coast. Among the losses are Scott Summers, Charles Xavier, Jean Grey once more, in addition to the powers of certain established mutants. The movie's closing events heavily allude the Cure's effects may not be permanent, especially on Magneto, while Charles makes a surprising return to an old friend. Indeed, before Phoenix would kill him, he had transferred his consciousness into the atrophied body of a comatose patient.
2001 - Cyclops is revealed to be alive. Phoenix had just put him in a state of suspended animation.
Later, X-Men and Magneto fight each other again, as hinted by Wolverine in DOFP: "I've spent years trying to take you down".
Note: interviews, novelizations, deleted scenes and Internet viral campaigns have been considered as not canon.
Later, X-Men and Magneto fight each other again, as hinted by Wolverine in DOFP: "I've spent years trying to take you down".
2006 - Wolverine leaves the X-Men.
2008 - The major events of The Wolverine take place. Logan lives an outcast's life within the Canadian wilderness of the Yukon (enough time has passed for his far longer hair-do, we see updated tech like Yukio's cell, etc.). Keeping out of touch with the friends and allies he came to know, Logan's loner life takes a unique turn when it turns out a man he saved decades past has done enough research not only to learn the name he now goes by, but to find him. Amongst recollecting a few scarce memories long-since wiped, Wolverine is also left physically changed (as well as his seemingly eternal youth is diminished to normality by Yashida, his Adamantium claws gone as well).
2010 - Logan goes back to the States where he's approached by Professor X and a re-powered Magneto. In the next years, Magneto will coat Wolverine's bone claws with metal manipulated on high molecular cohesion.
2008 - The major events of The Wolverine take place. Logan lives an outcast's life within the Canadian wilderness of the Yukon (enough time has passed for his far longer hair-do, we see updated tech like Yukio's cell, etc.). Keeping out of touch with the friends and allies he came to know, Logan's loner life takes a unique turn when it turns out a man he saved decades past has done enough research not only to learn the name he now goes by, but to find him. Amongst recollecting a few scarce memories long-since wiped, Wolverine is also left physically changed (as well as his seemingly eternal youth is diminished to normality by Yashida, his Adamantium claws gone as well).
2010 - Logan goes back to the States where he's approached by Professor X and a re-powered Magneto. In the next years, Magneto will coat Wolverine's bone claws with metal manipulated on high molecular cohesion.
2023 - The "present-time" events of X-Men: Days of the Future Past take place. The X-Men vanguard splinter group (Bishop, Shadowcat, Colossus, Iceman, Blink, Sunspot, Warpath) joins the main X-Men roster to fight the final battle and save mankind.
Wolverine travels back in time and alters Timeline Prime, turning it into Timeline Sigma.
Wolverine travels back in time and alters Timeline Prime, turning it into Timeline Sigma.
Note: interviews, novelizations, deleted scenes and Internet viral campaigns have been considered as not canon.
Regarding: "1986 - Having by now regained the ability to walk" and "1990s - Xavier loses his ability to walk again."
ReplyDeleteWhy can't you just assume, like I did, that Xavier walking while recruting Jean Gray (in X-men 3), and standing (in "Origins") were mere mental projections (like the one he used in DOFP, while talking with Raven?
Regarding: "2010"- why did you assume the X-men disbanded then?
And, man, I guess you spent many hours rewatching all the movies to write this time-line... I've tried to do it in my head, but dind't have the time or the will do this myself. You did a service to all X-men fans! Thanks for the effort!
Hello PC. Thank you so much for your kind words, really...
ReplyDeleteI must refine some points of the Original Timeline, of course. I'm waiting for "Apocalypse" in order to "calculate" and "figure out" some dates of Timeline Prime.
By the way, the meeting at Jean's house: not a projection for sure. That would be a bit too far IMHO.
Sorry, just wanted to get clarification. When Trask creates the sentinels in 1973, are we assuming that he is then shortly killed by Mystique, which eventually leads to the events of DOFP which ends Timeline Prime?
ReplyDeleteIf this is the case, why is Trask alive in X-men 3?
When they did that film they didn't know they would have Trask 33 years earlier in time,and that actor was a tall black guy. Luckily they didn't call him ''Bolivar'',so we can pretend it's another ''Trask'' who works in homeland security(and Dinklage played an independent developer/researcher/scientist)
DeleteMaybe the black senator was the adopted son of Bolivar Trask, and therefore has the same last name
DeleteOk, I'll be less passionate in my post, just want to ask you/point out some things for you to consider upon Tiziano.
ReplyDeleteIn X3, set in 2006, it shows a timestamp of ''20 years earlier'',which means 1986,when they meet Jean Gray,it also fits your birthdate for Jean being 1973(I dont know where you took this from,but ok). You currently have it 1982. Why ?
Could you perhaps at least,if nothing else,consider setting Stryker meeting Logan in 1973(after original timeline before DOFP took place), so at least it would shift everything closer to the 1979 3mile island incident ? And maybe have him leave the team in 1974 ?(Why do you assume he was with the team for 4 years btw? ),and so 6 years later would make it 1980,not 1985. Just consider it, it doesnt offset any movie logic,so your timeline still works.
Also,can I ask where you took the 2008 date from ?
Also,on 25moments.com,official site for DOFP,it says Xaviers school shut down in 2010,not 2012 as you have it.
Peace,hope you don't delete my post this time.
Hello man!
DeleteThe "20 years before" bit of The Last Stand is still floating in time (figuratively)... I mean, APOCALYPSE will clarify this, since Jean Grey will be featured in the movie and she will be given a definitive age. So it's still a work in progress. Hold on.
I already tried to make the 3 Miles Incident fits into the scenario, but it doesn't work at all. It's too forced and convoluted. I have mixed feelings about this. Let's see if APOCALYPSE will clarify Cyclops' age once and for all.
Thank you so much for your contribution...
thanks for the reply. But 2006 is canon,confirmed by the studio for the X3 events(25moments.com),and fits the canon late 2005 timing for events of X2 happening a few months earlier(the exchange with Scott/Logan in X3). So when it showed ''10 years earlier'' for child Angel,you put it 1996 correctly. before it showed 20 years earlier with Jean,so 1986,that's what I meant. I thought you would use the studio confirmed dates ?(same as studio confirmed 2010 when Xaviers school closed). One of the few dates you can get from the studio canon. If you think Jean doesn't look 13 yet(to me she looks more like 9,so born 1977,but you can of course have her born 73 too.).
DeleteI guess I assumed your goal was to fit the dates as well as you could with help of official canon times,and since DOFP was in January 1973,then Stryker could've(originally) met Logan as early as February 1973(which would make sense that they had mercenaries clean up the mess after troop witdrawal after the war),he may have left the team later that year maybe,and 6 years later could still thus be 1979-1980. It works for your timeline :) an does not contradict any of your other dates.
I mean, this would only help make it fit so much more smoothly,imho. But your blog,your decision of course. I doubt Apocalypse film will reference Jeans age in any way,imo. And born in 1977(met in 86) would make her 46 in 2023,and she looked good for 46. :) But again,just my opinion.thanks.
In DOFP, the reality is that sentinels have taken over because of events that have transpired in the the 70's. If DOFP is apart of the same storylines from the previous movies (X1, X2, X3), how does the movie explain why sentinels weren't featured, heavily in those movies - besides the training program in X3. Shouldn't they have been taking over the world during those movies if they had been introduced in the 70's?
ReplyDeleteYes Shaun, Im very surprised what a maajor mistake mad the writers with the Sentinels. Its the primal story line, and is the most obvious timeline related mistake. Its very frustrating
Deleteclosely paying attention to the film it was clearly stated in the film how it took decades to synthesize Mistiques bone marrow,brain tissue, spinal fluid and blood DNA into a workable model for sentinel production,the technological development wasn't yet capable of manufacturing such robots. It took until 2013 to finally complete it and release Mark X sentinel(ones we saw in 2023,this is all confirmed on the official movie website 25moments.com as well).
DeleteIn 1973 when Mistique killed Trask originally,he was not a high-profile politician,unlike senator Kelly in the comic book version of DOFP, therefore, his death was simply that of some independent engineer/developer,not part of the government at all,congress even did not support any of his proposals as we saw(and he died before meeting Nixon,as the movie also showed,continuity wise). So it makes sense that they put the simple sentinels on the shelf,they were never funded,the program. It was only behind the scenes that Trask Industries continued to synthesize and work on Mistiques and other mutants genetic code,and when the evens of trilogy in 2005-2006 occurred(also confirmed by studio timing),there was more than enough initiative to finally fund this program,especially after the ''Cure'' failed to have lasting effects.
connecting dots, and logic,also attention for movie and it all makes sense why no sentinels were seen in trilogy,because it was explained in the DOFP film.
Why is the opening scene from The Last Stand listed under 1982? Shouldn't it be 1986-ish if it's 20 years before the movie? And why is The Wolverine listed under 2011?
ReplyDeleteHi, it's PC, again (I made the anonymous post about the age gap between the actors that play Jean Grey and Warren)
ReplyDelete(Once again I have to commend your efforts to create a continuity where apparently non can be found :-)).
First place: I guess you don't have to assume that mutants age differently than humans (except when that's one of their powers- like Wolverine, Saber-tooth, Mystic, etc.) The guys that play Xavier and Magneto - the older mutants- look almost the age of their characters. Once can assume that the apparent age gap between some characters (ex: Archangel and Phoenix) is due to bad actor casting and does not reflect the age of the characters they play...
Second: there's really too much continuity mistakes for you do achieve a 100% perfect continuity, but hen again, the same thing happens the comics, over the decades...
Third: I guess there are still some problems with your revised time-line. For example:
"1949 -Charles briefly encounters Erik for the very first time." Hum... Unless there's a memory wipe in here somewhere (stranger things have happens in the comics) This encounter does not happen. "First Class" is clearly the first time the two meet. the "hint" in X1 can be a memory mistake (Xavier is not perfect, and not a very young man, you know...)
"1963 - Magneto is captured after having assassinated JFK." In DOFP, Magneto implies that he was innocent, that he tried to save JFK, that was himself a mutant... But he might be lying.
"1977 - A 14 years old Jason Stryker ..." You are missing something here, in the third movie it's cleary stated (as far as I remember) that Jason was one of Xavier's students...
"1978 - The date of his original escape is ok, but why state that his hair as white? It doesn't seem white in the poster for the upcoming movie, set in the 80's.
"1989 - Wolverine hunts down Gambit ...
2000s - The second generation of X-Men fights a batch of experimental Sentinels ..."
Why state all this? Let's see what happens in the Gambit movie... And the "sentinel's danger room scenario" may not be due a previous battle. The robot there is not similar to the ones in DOFP, it may be a coincidence... And Xavier might have "read" the idea of sentinels in someone's mind and be preparing the x-men for that battle...
"2005 - he had transferred his consciousness into the atrophied body of his secret brain-dead twin..." The brain-dead guy does not look like Xavier (he might be a false twin...) but he also does not look the same age as Xavier... One might assume there was an untold reason that explains why, in the original time line, Xavier is alive, in his own body after being obliterated by Phoenix... (for example: he transferred his mind to the brain dead guy, and then Moira used a blood sample taken from the original body to create a clone, aged him to the right age and then, telepathic, Xavier transferred his mind to the clone- this would be a very dull sci-fi movie, and also provide Xavier with a kind of immortality that not even Logan possesses)
"2007 - X-Men and Magneto fight each other again, as hinted by Wolverine in DOFP ("I've spent years trying to take you down")" Logan might just be referring to the first three movies and not untold fights
"2013 - Logan goes back to the States where he's approached by Professor X (in a new body) and a re-powered Magneto." Not necessary so. Xavier might be a mental projection, using an image Logan was familiar with, and not the image of his real body. The re-powered Magneto was hinted in the end of XIII, there's no need to revise the continuity here.
What bugs me is that we'll never know why Xavier and Magneto needed Logan help in this original time-line. Was it because the events that prompted the apocalyptic future in DOFP? We'll never be sure- I guess this scene was a bad plug for DOFP.
What exactly is the Zero Event?
ReplyDeleteYeah, I was wondering this myself.. :)
DeleteI moved the Zero Event to 1913, since the "new" Moira (First Class) is obviously born in 1932 and you need more "time" to "set up" that change. I don't know what truly happened, frankly. I just "know" a time-travelling, powerful mutant messed up with the timeline in many ways. It's up to you and everyone else to figure how.
Delete1) What is the significance of Event Zero, and why did you choose the year 1923 for it to have happened? Also, if this is a major event for your timelines, why haven't you indicated and described the 1923 Event Zero in either Timeline Prime A or Timeline Prime B?
ReplyDelete2) Why have you chosen that "The Wolverine" is part of Timeline Prime B, when the events in that movie clearly happen post-X-Men: The Last Stand? I feel The Wolverine should be part of Timeline Prime A.
1- I moved the Zero Event to 1913, since the "new" Moira (First Class) is obviously born in 1932 and you need more "time" to "set up" that change. I don't know what truly happened, frankly. I just "know" a time-travelling, powerful mutant messed up with the timeline in many ways. It's up to you and everyone else to figure how.
Delete2- Very good question. In my mind, the original iteration of "The Last Stand" was a peaceful conclusion to the X-Men Trilogy.
"The Wolverine" features many similarities to DOFP, which is part of Timeline Prime B. Wolverine: "I fought you (Magneto) for years". This means there were some other battles after the Timeline Prime B version of "The Last Stand".
Even more importantly, the epilogue of "The Wolverine" shows more about the advanced Sentinels, and those belong to Timeline Prime B and the DOFP background.
fantastic work bro
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